tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post2489677835914087091..comments2023-05-25T06:44:40.265-05:00Comments on The Motley Cow: Porn in the Library! West Bend Society for the Suppression of Vice Battles OnMpetersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18399880071535547324noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-10370658126155238322009-05-02T09:45:00.000-05:002009-05-02T09:45:00.000-05:00Speaking of Ginny's crazy train - more are jumping...Speaking of Ginny's crazy train - more are jumping on board:<br /><br />From Daily News 5/2/2009<br /><br />"Christian rights group joins library fray <br /><br />Suit by Milwaukee chapter singles out ‘Baby BeBop’ for complaint <br /><br />The Milwaukee branch of the Christian Civil Liberties Union (CCLU) has filed a legal claim that says a book that is available in the West Bend Community Memorial Library is offensive. <br /> Robert C. Braun of West Allis, Joseph Kogelmann of Milwaukee, Robert Brough of West Bend and the Rev. Cleveland Eden of Milwaukee, representing the Milwaukeebased group, filed the claim with the city of West Bend clerk's office. <br /> Named in the claim are the city of West Bend, Mayor Kristine Deiss, the West Bend Library Board and Library Director Michael Tyree. The group is seeking $30,000per plaintiff, Deiss’ resignation and a racist book be removed and publicly burned or destroyed as a deterrent to repeating the offensive conduct, the claim states."<br />...................................<br /><br />MP, we need a new post on this topic.justanotherbovinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-14729434861762499042009-05-01T18:34:00.000-05:002009-05-01T18:34:00.000-05:00Wow, Dan, you & Ginny would have a great futur...Wow, Dan, you & Ginny would have a great future in message/focus-testing - keep fine tuning your message in "real-time" until you get it right.<br /><br />Then there is this:<br /><br />"State v. Rader, 62 Ore. 37; 124 P. 195, argued on May 9, 1912, decided on May 28, 1912."<br /><br />"....................... It is not an easy task to unring a bell, nor to remove from the mind an impression once firmly imprinted there, and the withdrawal of the testimony should be so emphatic as to leave no doubt in the mind of the juror as to the unequivocal repudiation by the court of the erroneously admitted matter, and even then, in a case where the testimony is evenly balanced or contradictory, courts hesitate to sanction such withdrawal, though it seems absolutely necessary to permit this course in some instances."<br /><br />Recognize the concept? Can't "unring the bell"?<br /><br />Or how about the concept that "you can't make a silk purse out of a gay-bashing swine's ear"? <br /><br />Jump on Ginny's "crazy train" and enjoy the ride. With all the cross-listing with her site, will be interesting the next time Google does a web crawl - your site should generate a lot of "anti-gay" Google hits.justanotherbovinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-37018472270137663792009-05-01T09:55:00.000-05:002009-05-01T09:55:00.000-05:00and might i also point out this little gem of a bl...and might i also point out this little gem of a blog post:<br /><br />http://the-motley-cow.blogspot.com/search/label/Christianity<br /><br />imagine that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-15017015930536493652009-05-01T08:58:00.000-05:002009-05-01T08:58:00.000-05:00she hasn't abandoned it, Dan. if you read her blo...she hasn't abandoned it, Dan. if you read her blog, you'll see that there certainly is an anti-gay agenda. now i'm sure she can magically make those entries disappear and remove the links to the other anti-gay sites and continue to act like we are all dwelling on the past--like this has nothing to do with her ignorant, judgemental stance on homosexuality. wolves, i tell you! wolves in sheeps' clothing!<br />hey--maybe along with relocating those books, we could also get the city to construct a separate entrance, bathroom and water fountain for those who choose to read them!! i'm going to go start a petition! i'll be busy making assumptions of what businesses will support me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-71984845388626017952009-04-30T23:45:00.000-05:002009-04-30T23:45:00.000-05:00You are most welcome. I'm a great believer in fin...You are most welcome. I'm a great believer in finding a way for our inevitable, inherent, American fractiousness to play out. See the Federalist Papers Number 10 for more details.<br /><br />But I too am not sure we need to let Ginny off the hook. Her complaints have shifted each time she's met resistance or Constitutional objections. If she'd settled on a particular objection we could have had this behind us by now.<br /><br />I'm not sure anyone objects to the idea that parents should be comfortable letting their kids use the library or that, equally, parents should shoulder their responsibilities as parents to make sure that they think their kids' reading materials are appropriate. <br /><br /><br />Best,<br />MarkMpetersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18399880071535547324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-24065181480792302462009-04-30T20:35:00.000-05:002009-04-30T20:35:00.000-05:00Anonymous said, "Ginny is sure lucky Dan Kleinman ...Anonymous said, "Ginny is sure lucky Dan Kleinman came along and shut her up about the contagious gayness going around in the West Bend Library."<br /><br />Thank you, but stop it. I did not "shut her up." She made up her own mind. I don't control her. I have no idea why people keep attacking her over her old comments, except to have an excuse for trying to convince other people to ignore her now-legitimate requests.<br /><br />If Ginny really has abandoned her stance on "contagious gayness," isn't that something that should be applauded instead of attacked? I hereby applaud Ginny for dropping her opposition to "contagious gayness." If other people would drop their opposition to "contagious gayness," that would be good, and to the extent Ginny has provided an example to those people, that is excellent. I thank Ginny for leading the way. <br /><br />Ginny's former opposition to "contagious gayness" is old news; let's move on. And those who need to move on include <A HREF="http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2009/04/response-to-ala-president-and-oif.html" REL="nofollow">the ALA President</A>, etc.<br /><br />While I'm writing, let me say this blog post, along with the comments, is really excellent. Thanks, Mpeterson.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-41134277169568452002009-04-30T16:55:00.000-05:002009-04-30T16:55:00.000-05:00Ginny is sure lucky Dan Kleinman came along and sh...Ginny is sure lucky Dan Kleinman came along and shut her up about the contagious gayness going around in the West Bend Library. Its too bad her blog still spews forth hateful entries that show her most un-Christian side and despicable agenda. <br />What happened to judge not, lest ye be judged??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-90958133582691253272009-04-27T22:07:00.000-05:002009-04-27T22:07:00.000-05:00SafeLibraries- Nope, just someone who agrees with ...SafeLibraries- Nope, just someone who agrees with her.concernedcitizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543058684445425499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-20553206878987414172009-04-27T21:45:00.000-05:002009-04-27T21:45:00.000-05:00concernedcitizen, are you Maria Hanrahan?concernedcitizen, are you Maria Hanrahan?SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-25715540737716353372009-04-27T20:17:00.000-05:002009-04-27T20:17:00.000-05:00I just wanted also to clarify that I am not the sa...I just wanted also to clarify that I am not the same person as "Concerned West Bend Citizen" or the author of the Sleepless blog. Just happened to choose a similar name.concernedcitizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543058684445425499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-73793624726806196142009-04-27T15:01:00.000-05:002009-04-27T15:01:00.000-05:00May 10, 1933: "No to decadence and moral corruptio...May 10, 1933: "No to decadence and moral corruption! Yes to decency and morality in family and state!"Dr. Joe Goebbelsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-10272889013337296352009-04-27T14:00:00.000-05:002009-04-27T14:00:00.000-05:00I believe I am the person who called Mr Schueneman...I believe I am the person who called Mr Schuenemann and who he has referred to. Forgive me that after being characterized as “the pro gay lobby proselytizing children” I would like to remain anonymous. I would like to clear up a few things. First, I did not call on Maria’s behalf, or because she asked me to or as part of any organized campaign. While I had been involved in collecting signatures for the petition and in discussions on her forums, she did not recruit me to make phone calls. I don't know if any other supporters called any of the businesses on their own; it wouldn't surprise me if they did, but again, if they did it wasn't part of any organized campaign. <br /><br />I started out by calling 2 businesses on Friday: Quilted Bear and Hobby Lobby. My reasons for this were 2 fold:<br />1) I frequent both business, the Quilted Bear occasionally and Hobby Lobby very often. I wanted to know as a customer if they were supporting the WBCSL, not because I was planning on launching a publicity campaign against them, but so that I could stop personally patronizing their business if they were in support. I don't think this is unreasonable, as strongly as I feel about the issue. But though I would have stopped using their business if I had found out they were indeed supporting WBCSL, I did not even go so far as to threaten to take away my business.<br />2) I coincidentally was with a former employee of Quilted Bear that day and this employee told me they could not imagine Ryan, the manager/owner, wanting to get his business involved in anything this controversial. The employee also said they usually have weddings starting Sat afternoon so he probably wouldn’t want his parking lot being used this way. I suspected businesses were being used without owner permission. <br /><br />At Hobby Lobby, the manager was not in that day and I never did speak to him, but the assistant manager told me he highly doubted the manager would have granted permission for his property to be used. (If you read Maria's blog, she did speak with the manager on Saturday, and he said though he had been asked, he had not given permission and that they would need to stay on the sidewalks, which they and Maria's group did). I then called Quilted Bear and at first the manager wasn’t available, but an employee repeated to me what the former employee had said. It looked like a pattern was developing, so though I initially didn't plan to (since I don't frequent those businesses), I then made the decision to call Dairy Queen in Kewaskum and State Farm to see if the same thing happened there.<br /><br />Mr Schuenemann- I seem to remember our conversation being pleasant and respectful on both sides. I started out asking you if you were aware of and allowing the group to petition on your property. You told me you were not (I realize you were not aware at the time that your wife had granted permission) and said you did not want to get involved. Though I don’t remember every detail of the conversation, I remember you doing more talking than me and saying that you were aware of the controversy, had been following it with interest b/c of your role as village trustee and you did not think it would be good for business to take sides. I certainly don’t remember talking about my views on homosexuality or saying anything that would characterize me as “the pro gay lobby proselytizing children” or saying that I planned to interfere with their petition signing in any way. You were planning on making sure they used the sidewalks and did not want your business name used on her blog. I gave you her website/blog so you could decide for yourself and see how your business name was being used. You later changed your mind and decided to support their group which you have every right to do. Maria wrote on her website that her supporters should leave you alone and I hope they did. After what you said about me, I did want to call you, but refrained and gave myself time to calm down.<br /><br />My call to State Farm was brief; the agent in charge wasn't available, would not be in that day, and the person answering the phone knew nothing about it; I did not call back.<br /><br />When I did later get in touch the manager/owner of Quilted Bear, he said he in fact knew nothing about the petition signing on his property and was upset to learn about it and that his property was being used without his permission. He did not want to take either side or become involved in any way and immediately took steps to make sure they would not be there. He was appreciative to being alerted ahead of time, especially since he said he would have a wedding taking place the next day. At this point I felt angry that based on the information I had so far, the WBCSL would put businesses in such an awkward situation. Much later that day, I called the manager at Family Funland (a business I frequent with my children) and after a very brief conversation, was told a similar story. The manager seemed to be unaware of the situation. He was appreciative of the call. I don’t know if in either or both cases, an employee or someone else could have granted<br />permission without the owners/managers knowledge.<br /><br />My little one woman “campaign” made no threats, used no “intimidation tactics” or harassment. Maria states that she did not either. I wish the not so subtle "campaign" of exaggerations and lies against Maria and those of us that support her efforts would stop. Both sides need to show respect for each other despite the charged emotions.<br /><br />Interesting conversation about libertarians and viewpoints in all this- I'm learning something here!concernedcitizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543058684445425499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-19027655892498245362009-04-27T08:49:00.000-05:002009-04-27T08:49:00.000-05:00Would it be OK if I said your slightly "liberal bl...Would it be OK if I said your slightly "liberal blog"? (If I promise to say "progressive" once in a while?)<br /><br />The library card does do as you say on material checkout, but that does not prevent kids, without parental consent, from purusing the materials in the library children's section on a class field trip, or just a random visit which may occur without the parents.<br /><br />On the future vision of local libraries:<br /><br />One of the issues not considered here is the eventual effect of technology. I envision libraries, as we know them today, to be gone in 50 years. With kindle technology, books can just be downloaded and carried around in an electronic format very easily and cheaply, and the antiquated notion of the paper form of book will just be a novelty that kids will probably laugh at in 25-50 years.<br /><br />So will the "public funded" local library be a thing of the past if the Library of Congress sets up electronic downloads of every book ever in the U.S.?<br /><br />When individual household information terminals are doing the download, the household will get complete control of what is downloaded. <br /><br />Naturally, the environmental lobby will really like this idea. No need to cut down anymore trees for books.<br /><br />This antiquated notion of public funded local libraries, with a physical location, is at the beginning of the end. <br /><br />Technology will adopt the Libertarian angle on this one and each household will have the liberty to decide for themselves.<br /><br />This "technology advance" may happen to education as well. Fortunately, you are an excellent Professor that can sell his skills nationwide in the marketplace on a broad distribution basis. The lessor Professors of philosophy across the nation will be displaced by the Peterson marketing machine and superior teaching skills.<br /><br />First I bring up the annual government "bailout" of the West Bend library, now I'm pointing your path to the "capitalist" marketplace via technology...kevin Scheunemannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-33262201640539457812009-04-27T07:52:00.000-05:002009-04-27T07:52:00.000-05:00Grin. I am not now nor have I ever been a "libera...Grin. I am not now nor have I ever been a "liberal." I wish people would stop calling me that. [And we do indeed agree about the bailout.]<br /><br />Nice to see ya Kevin.<br /><br />I imagine Maria, another self-identified libertarian, probably has a recollection different from yours. <br /><br />One of the muddying bits here has been the way the complaint has shifted around over time -- as Ginny ran into Constitutional proscriptions regarding, first, religious and moral grounds, then questions about pornography, then whether libraries can *remove* materials patrons find offensive and now -- if I'm up to date -- to simply asking some of the materials to be relocated out of the hands of kids. <br /><br />-- which doesn't help us with the question about what criteria are to be used in tagging or relocating materials. If we let Christian Fundamentalists decide that, why shouldn't we let Fundamentalist Hindus, or atheists, do the same?<br /><br />Of course, that would close the library and serve your economic purposes.<br /><br />If I were you, I think I'd encourage them. <br /><br />Yeah, the messy business of reality: I guess I'd note that when kids get a library card, parents are made explicitly responsible for what their kids select from the stacks, so I'm not sure the analogy to handing out material on the street holds here.<br /><br />As for economic liberty, I think we've just seen what 8 years of that can do -- unless you want to argue that we can't have liberty with the levels of fraud that were required to bankrupt the economic system.<br /><br />hihoMpetersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18399880071535547324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-28853853059011059652009-04-26T23:29:00.000-05:002009-04-26T23:29:00.000-05:00Hey Mark,
This controversy is great! I had no i...Hey Mark,<br /><br />This controversy is great! I had no idea you had a blog. <br /><br />Yes, I did write the phrase you ask about. In retrospect, I really should have broke 2 ideas apart.<br /><br />1.) There was a concerted campaign to intimidate business from not allowing this petitioning to go forward. I would even let Mark Peterson petition for medical Mary Jane in my parking lot because its important to let people petition for grievences against government. What I saw and experienced was not innocent expression of viewpoints but a campaign of intimidation of business to push for disallowance of one tiny bit of democracy for a few hours. What happened at Hobby Lobby also qualified in my opinion as "intimidation".<br /><br />Instead of an attempt to have a peaceful counter petition supporting full children's access to the materials in question, it was an subtle campaign to stop people from signing the petition that supported moving the questionable library materials to a parental permission part of the library. That's the issue of "intimidation" I wanted to express, but probably did not do it very well.<br /><br />I oppose any intimidation, subtle or otherwise, preventing people from signing a petition they want to sign. Denial of availability of the petition is a subtle form of intimidation.<br /><br />2.) "PROSELYTIZE CHILDREN" comment. Again, I should have stretched my economic thoughts behind this comment. This issue comes down, in my view, to public vs. private funding of libraries. You are indeed the astute professor I remember, and you perfectly articulate the Libertarian philisophical position on funding of libraries. Naturally, this is a philisophical ideal and not the real world. <br /><br />So we are left with the "messy" issue of publicly funded libraries. The community, then decides the material standards of the library. This is where it gets "extra messy". What goes for the UW-Madison library does not go for West Bend or Ootsburg for that matter. Its probably perfectly acceptable in Madison to have books extoling and praising alternative lifestyles. West Bend is far from the Madison standard. I am not, and as far as I know, no one is saying to get rid of these materials, only implement a "parental consent" policy for these materials.<br /><br />For those that feel the current policy is appropriate, would you feel comfortable handing these materials out to random children on the streets of West Bend? <br />(without parental permission) Why or why not?<br /><br />I suspect some squimishness would ensue in that exercise. Parents would immediately question the motives of someone doing such a thing. <br /><br />The same argument would probably be held about a preacher, preaching in the public square to children. The "Freedom from Religion Foundation" would say kids are being "proselytized" in that particular religous message.<br /><br />In either case, PARENTAL PERMISSION is the key element. (Age of legal consent standard.) If the parents are fine with kids receiving either message in the public square, great. No controversy really exists. <br /><br />If libraries were privately funded, this whole mess and debate could be avoided. If Prof. Peterson would tap his lavish public employee pension a little bit early, he could establish the "Mark Peterson anything goes children's library". Then all these materials would be available and the public library would not have to stock all those PROSELYTIZING children's materials. The Peterson library would not be using public funds, so it can stock whatever materials with whatever funding with little to no public input. (I'd suggest the whole UW-Madison library on a kindle.) Decide what to charge for material use, if any. End of controversy.<br /><br />However, this issue comes down to taking tax money, without choice, from people to put material and viewpoints in front of their children they may not agree with, possibly without their consent.<br /><br />Those constituents, as "forced funders" of the public library system have every right to speak out about this.<br /><br />I support maximizing liberty. And that includes liberty in the economic sense. Anyone forced to fund it, has a right to say how that institution is run.<br /><br />If that is an issue, (constituents demanding a small amount of regulation of children's materials) The West Bend Library should stop taking its annual government bailout payment, known as property taxes. After all, when you take government bailout money any CEO can be fired in the public domain now...why would the West Bend Library Director get any less scrutiny?<br /><br />(I just had to say it, because I know the bailout term will get Prof. Peterson in a "twist". I'm confident that Prof. Peterson and I agree that federal bailout money for private companies is complete nonsense!)<br /><br />Kevin Scheunemann<br />(Now that you got me reading your blog, I may have to interject some "economic liberty" balance comments on a couple of things. Liberal UW Prof. tend to be a little weak on liberty in terms of economics.)Kevin Scheunemannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-72816846756922610642009-04-26T19:46:00.000-05:002009-04-26T19:46:00.000-05:00Hi Mr. Scheunemann,
Nice to see ya.
Did you real...Hi Mr. Scheunemann,<br /><br />Nice to see ya.<br /><br />Did you really write "YOU HAVE MY FULL CONFIDENCE; AND I WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY THE PRO GAY LOBBY TRYING TO PROSELYTIZE CHILDREN!!!!!"??<br /><br />I'm a bit freaked out to think that you of all people would believe there's such a thing as a proselytizing pro-gay lobby.<br /><br />From you I'd expect the argument that there shouldn't be public libraries at all -- only subscription or privately funded ones. But I cannot imagine you'd argue that government should censor the press even in the institutions established to disseminate information freely among all citizens.<br /><br />But I'm just guessin. :^)<br /><br />Hope you've been well!<br /><br />Best,<br />MpMpetersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18399880071535547324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-33960547281376184142009-04-26T19:32:00.000-05:002009-04-26T19:32:00.000-05:00Note from the Motley-Censor:
I'll be glad to kee...Note from the Motley-Censor: <br /><br />I'll be glad to keep putting up whatever y'all send in because I know that you will, responsibly, decide whether your own children should read these comments. I don't feel I have a right to determine that for you.<br /><br />Ahem.Mpetersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18399880071535547324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-26570013330299637862009-04-26T15:48:00.000-05:002009-04-26T15:48:00.000-05:00...I will not be intimidated by the pro gay lobby ...<I>...I will not be intimidated by the pro gay lobby trying to proselytize children.</I>Oh, cut it out.Other Sidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06475658453374184885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-47879654055706794382009-04-26T13:34:00.000-05:002009-04-26T13:34:00.000-05:00I'm the "wingbat" in question in the previous post...I'm the "wingbat" in question in the previous post.<br /><br />Just to be clear: Libertarians as a philosophy believe that taxpayers should not be forced to fund items and materials they oppose. The actions of the West Bend library to stock many questionable items in the "children's section" is opposed by many taxpayers.<br /><br />I support moving those items to an "adult/parental" supervision section, where children can only gain access with PARENTAL PERMISSION. The decision is then properly left with the parents. Liberty in this scenerio is left with the parents.<br /><br />No Libertarian supports giving access to pornographic/questionable material to children, without parental consent, at taxpayers expense. <br /><br />So to make a blanket statement Libertarians support putting this material in front of children would not be accurate.<br /><br />My question is: Why is it so important to give children access to this material at taxpayer expense? Why don't you just buy the material and go distribute it to children at random on the street, without parental consent?<br /><br />Kevin ScheunemannKevin Scheunemannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-73292840784336727262009-04-26T13:05:00.000-05:002009-04-26T13:05:00.000-05:00Here is good site that links here:
http://sleeple...Here is good site that links here:<br /><br />http://sleeplessinwestbend.blogspot.com/<br /><br />He/she has an excellent perspective on the gay-bashing Dairy Queen owner thing. Going back to my comment in the post above ("teabagging"), I find it comical that this is the definition for Dairy Queen:<br /><br />"Dairy Queen<br /> <br />In gay slang--A gay man who only dates white guys." <br /> <br />http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dairy+queen<br /><br />And that explains why Ginnie only refers to it as "DQ" in her post, not "Dairy Queen".justanotherbovinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-22579004733638586992009-04-26T12:39:00.000-05:002009-04-26T12:39:00.000-05:00Please look at the left side of Maria's blog, unde...Please look at the left side of Maria's blog, under "comments to Wissup" to see her response to the accusations of harassing businesses (several of which had not granted permission to her being there and using their name on her blog).<br />http://www.westbendparentsforfreespeech.webs.com<br />Also see the new timeline documenting how the complaint has changed over time.Buzymomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06670077889180418238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-26939691936054584232009-04-26T09:44:00.000-05:002009-04-26T09:44:00.000-05:00This is getting ridciulous. see my comments here: ...This is getting ridciulous. see my comments here: http://sleeplessinwestbend.blogspot.com/Concerned West Bend Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11269774099507336969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-71136841508702944312009-04-26T07:20:00.000-05:002009-04-26T07:20:00.000-05:00Something else I don't get: Is not the Libert...Something else I don't get: Is not the Libertarian Party the party that is friendly & sympathetic to gay issues? The business person making the anti-gay rant cited above is a member of that party (the WI site lists him & his brother as Libertarians holding public positions in Kewaskum).<br /><br />I suppose like any other major political party, the tent is always big enough for wingbats, but really!justanotherbovinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-16294937772641271342009-04-25T23:52:00.000-05:002009-04-25T23:52:00.000-05:00Justanother --
Alas, my job eats most of my day a...Justanother --<br /><br />Alas, my job eats most of my day and night -- although Steve Jobs said it best, "Get a job you love and you'll never work another day in your life." So I'm blessed that way.<br /><br />But yeah, "the pro-gay blahblahblah??"<br /><br />I still don't get it.<br /><br />hiho<br />MarkMpetersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18399880071535547324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32673461.post-26939656446291520182009-04-25T23:48:00.000-05:002009-04-25T23:48:00.000-05:00SafeLibraries sent me a note to post up, but it wa...SafeLibraries sent me a note to post up, but it was a copy of something from one of Ginny's blogs commenting on something from Maria's blog so, sorry Dan -- too much she said/she said.<br /><br />Dan claims that Ginny claims she's heard that the businesses where she's been collecting signatures for her petitions have been harassed by Maria. Please see Ginny's blog for those assertions.Mpetersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18399880071535547324noreply@blogger.com