The sound of drums from the Kettle Moraine.
I wonder what a "People's History" of Obama's presidency will look like.Right now, all we hear is a conservative's history of it.
I'm assuming Kevin doesn't know who any of these people are.
Oh the humanity!Actually, I do believe a case can be made that Zinn was an ineffectual "Uncle Tom" figure, inevitably, and without his own complicity in the inadvertent sucking up to man.
And, when I say "Uncle Tom", I am well aware that he is Anglo.It is about his co-option by others, and his co-option of others.
History does not have to be written by the winners.JPenterman
...or, to quote from my favorite history book (Anti-Oedipus):"'I too am a slave'-these are the new words spoken by the master."
Dan,I do know who all of them are.I'm probably most offended by Mr. Chomsky. He constantly rips this country and it sickens me.This country has been the greatest advance of human rights, wealth, and standard of living ever devised in human history. I dislike Chomsky ignoring that fact nearly everytime he opens his mouth.Sometimes, he makes a good specific point.However, Mr. Chomsky seems to ignore the damning evidence of countries that tend to put his global political points of view into practice. (Naturally, I'm not big on (or in) the anti-globalization movement)Sure, there are challenges with the U.S., but they are small compared to the leftist political and economic dreck in many European countries. So if you were asking me if I worship any of these leftist "intellectuals", the answer would be NO. Your worship is loud and clear, and enough for both of us.But I do listen, if thats OK.
Kevin,Wikipedia/Google doesn't count. If you have read any of them I'll eat my hat. Given that you can't even handle Perks....
"This country has been the greatest advance of human rights, wealth, and standard of living ever devised in human history."wow kevin. the arrogance is overpowering.so it's all about whats in your hand and not whats in your heart, huh?Human right's,huh?Maybe you should look at how the detainees at Gitmo were treated.Oh, I forget, maybe I am confusing it with Abu Ghraib. Watch Errol Morris amazing film, "Standard Operating Procedure." The CIA tortured detainees until they literally dropped dead.HMM, what else did you say that was idiotic?Well, for starters, I do not think you have traveled much abroad. What exactly are your qualifications to make these sweeping socio-economic statem---LIES?i don't think you have any.Mark, why don't you come down harder on this @ss8ole?
Dan,I mainly watched in depth interviews and forums back in my college days (post UWWC/Mark Peterson while at UWM).I ran the UWM TIMES as editor in chief one semester. (served in various other capacities the rest of the time) You don't run a major college newspaper like that without being plugged into the radical leftist speaking circuit. (and various radical activists) There was never a shortage of political debate at UWM...I even spent an entire afternoon debating Chomsky with several "left leaning" staff members on the paper.I periodically keep tabs on these leftist "intellectuals" just to see what they are up to. I do admit catching them sometimes on the the socialist satellite channels (whatever they name the channel this week)Distance Relative,I'm not impressed by your Gitmo outrage because I never saw your denouncement of my favorite leftist thug, Hugo Chavez. Gitmo is a getaway resort next to what that socialist thug is doing to his people. Political prisoners under leftist Chavez would be "lucky" to get the lavish Gitmo treatment!Let's worry about actual problems.America: one of the greatest OR thee greatest country ever?USA! USA! USA!
It must be so satisfying to be an expert on everything, Kevin. I think everyone is afraid of you now.
Mark,I am by no means an "expert", but there always seems to be an active "discounting" of my comment because I'm a "ice cream shop owner" or that I'm not academia. Granted, I probably should not get all worked up about it...I'm a big boy, and politics is a rough business...I was just relaying my life experience so my favorite political debate buddies, like Dan, can get a better understanding that I have been exposed to these leftist "intellectuals" and I have, rationally, decided their ideas are mostly (not all) distasteful to the improvement of the human condition.Also, if you haven't picked up on it, I tend to use the issue of "contrast" in my comments. If someone expresses outrage about human rights at Gitmo...but what about the worse human rights outrage under Chavez? One does not need to be an expert to realize that Gitmo is a resort next to the shameful things going on in Venezuela. Where is the human rights outrage for that?Gitmo is a yawn by comparison. If we are going to have outrage for human rights abuses, lets start where they are the worst...and Gitmo is not it.
I wouldn't call what we do "debating" Kevin.
Dan,Don't be so hard on yourself. Feel free to unshackle yourself by embracing religious diversity beyond global warming, evolution, and an "anything goes" worldview when it comes to taxpayer provided library material for children.
That's right Dan, stop it. Disagreeing with Kevin automatically makes you a pornographer, don't you see?
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