Tuesday, December 22, 2009

When the government asks for increased efficiency?


In Risky Move, GM to Run Plants Around Clock

Even Toyota thinks this is a bad idea. Is it possible the Obama administration auto task force hasn't read Demming?

On the other hand, wouldn't it be a spectacular irony if a supposedly liberal government asked for and got increased efficiency from business?



Kevin Scheunemann said...

Government getting increased efficiency from business?

Mark, you need to lay off that medical marijuana...at least until its legalized.

This has got "big government" disaster written all over it.

The government can't even process paperwork for the cash for clunkers boondoggle...what on earth makes you think it can run a complex car plant?

I got this cold shiver that communist era Eastern European style cars, manufactured by Government Motors, will be driving the streets with twice the fuel consumption and half the safety features. Obama's expensive homage to a failed economic theory spreading human misery.

Mpeterson said...

I said it was ironic... I'm a huge fan of Demming, Kevin... the guy that the Big Three tossed aside as irrelevant and stupid back in the 1960s... see how well that worked out.

But don't be misled by any of this... do you think the government is looking after your interests, or the interests of the oligarchy that still seems to be running the country?

Kevin Scheunemann said...

I agree with your last comment.

But what I don't get is the idea that you (seem to) constantly advocate the Oligarchy government get bigger and stronger and make the citizens poorer and weaker.

For instance:

1.) government run health care
2.) regulation forcing everyone to practice global warming religion

3.) Tax increase advocacy
4.) Regulatory increase advocacy

We agree decentralization of power (or distributive power) is the way to go, but that only happens by empowering people, not the empowering government.

Mpeterson said...

That's because you consistently, and I suspect intentionally, confuse the government -- which is merely an instrument -- with those who wield the government.

That's why I suspect you don't mind the corporate oligarchy running our government. Nothing in any of your posts indicates you're remotely interested in empowering people -- only in empowering corporate interests.

Your posts consistently indicate that what you're actually afraid of is democracy -- anything that removes the power from the pocket book and places it in the ballot box.

The difference between socialism and oligarchy is that socialism is still a democratic process while oligarchy is not. Everything you've ever posted up here Kev suggests you love the oligarchic tendency in capitalism, and loath the democratic.

Kevin Scheunemann said...

Have you read my posts on payday lending and credit cards?

Cash for clunkers and the bailout for car makers?

I was also against the bank bailouts.

Last I checked, Obama is the one bailing out corporate interests.

You may be supporting the wrong capitalist president.

Sorry to break it to you.

Mpeterson said...

I'll have to look again, since essentially everything you write looks like advertising for giving corporations even more power, while de-powering the only place regular people can actually exercise power... their government.

Most of your posts seem determined to make sure that the government remains the tool of the corporations Kev. I'd be thrilled to be wrong about that.

Kevin Scheunemann said...

Think of government as one giant corporation that needs to be kept in check.

I agree corporate America produces outrage, but it pails in comparison by government!

Mpeterson said...

You're still conflating the definitions and then saying they're different.

Kevin Scheunemann said...

Democrats and liberal Republicans conflate all the time.

Say what you really mean:

I'm the "Bill Clinton" of the english language.

Hate to break it to you: this is what politics is all about!

LazedAndConfused said...

"Think of government as one giant corporation that needs to be kept in check." -Kevin


think of capitalism as one giant corporation that needs to be kept in check by government.

...bass-ackward, man

Kevin Scheunemann said...

In the aggregate of human history...who has created more evil?

Corporations or governments?

Looking at the regimes of Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Robert Mugbe, Lenin, and Pol Pot, there is a lot more to fear from a government with absolute power than any corporation with absolute power.

Even if we take the most demonized corporation in existence today, Halibuton, it is an angelic choir next to the worst leftist thug regimes in history.


We have a lot more to fear from power centralizing via government.